ugh... forgot to also mention that we have two pond liners made for a pond that was about 4' x 3' x 3' deep. one is made of super heavy duty black plasticky material, the other feels a lot heavier and more like rubber. both at least a few mm thick. no holes but clearly used. also, about the same size of landscaping felt cloth (black) that is filled with small roots but otherwise fully operation...
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